[FastFreddy2]

BobHH, on 26 January 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

having been caught in an emergency medical condition and taken to the hospital and having to undress. No reaction from them except to say not to be concerned.

One of my more popular venues, is Oxford Street in London's West End. See google link below.

http://maps.google.c...,288.9,,0,-2.07


Every ground floor fascia you see, is a retail outlet. Notice how busy the roads are. It's not much quieter/slower at night, until about 1 a.m. and I've usually left by then. There are also Asia style tricycles [man powered 3 wheel rickshaws] now being used to carry 3 to 4 adult passengers around the West End, and these have negligible braking systems. A further danger is they are silent. Mrs Freddy has a slight concern, in that one day a cab/tricycle, or bus is going to catch me crossing the very busy road. There are many crossing places, but not always in a convenient position.

Her thinking is, if I find myself on the ground, my heels are going to be pretty obvious. Are folk going to be more interested in my condition, or my footwear? http://www.heels4men.net/public/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif http://www.heels4men.net/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif Hopefully we'll never find out. http://www.heels4men.net/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif


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[BobHH]

Nothing to do with membership numbers, but regarding your post about the doctor visit: Not to worry - they have probably seen it all. I speak from experience, having been caught in an emergency medical condition and taken to the hospital and having to undress. No reaction from them except to say not to be concerned.

[FastFreddy2]

FastFreddy2, on 30 November 2009 - 12:13 PM, said:

The membership is growing, I think. I've noticed a pattern of growth, then reduction. For example; there looked to be 420 members the last time I looked, but today; 375.

I would imagine, a cull of inactive members now would reduce the declared 600+ down to about 10? http://www.heels4men.net/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif



Disappointing.

[FastFreddy2]

Well, older people tend to have minds that wander.... Have difficulty keeping their mind 'on-track' (on thread) so to speak. :o :D



I suppose ideally one of us should have 'snapped' off a bit of conversation and started a new thread, but the one here wouldn't have ended well, and the new thread might have started abruptly with no reason for why it started. ;)

Plus the next problem might have been, new thread in Chit-chat or Outfit Critique, given we were talking about clothes? :huh:


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This post has been edited by FastFreddy2: 19 January 2011 - 10:09 AM

[admin]

Why is this being posted in the "membership numbers" thread in tech help? lol :huh:

[shyguy]

Great tale Freddy, I'm always expecting the like to happen to me whilst wearing the leggings under my trousers, but so far OK.

[FastFreddy2]

BobHH, on 15 January 2011 - 04:20 AM, said:

Wearing leggings now without other trousers. It has been a warm day for January, and I like the leggings more and more around the house, as they don't get caught between the heel and the shoe with the Nine West 5" spike heel slides I have on, plus they are very comfortable and show off the heels nicely.

And I like the sound of those shoes! :D




The tale.....

25 years ago I worked at a large manufacturers on the nightshift. I worked in an office, where there was precious little heating. As I spent most of my night sitting, I got cold. I started wearing holdups to help keep me warm. Tights might have been more common [sports fishermen wear them] but I was there for 10 hours at a time so using the toilet was inevitable. Hence the holdups.


One morning I had to leave work and pretty much go to a hospital appointment. I'd got a problem with the skin inside my hairline, and I was going to see a skin specialist. My clothes were tidy and clean, and but for 12 hours use at work, so was my head.

Pitched up at the hospital, and in to see the Doc. He examined my head and was reasonably convinced he knew what the problem was. He wanted to see my legs too, so told me to undress and he's be back in a couple of minutes. :o

There have been few times in my life when I've had to think on my feet, and the decision have some consequences.... That was one of them. As soon as my trousers were off, I'd have the hose on my legs exposed. If he or his help came in with my trousers on the floor and holdups on, what would happen next? :huh:


Well, I've never moved so quickly, but move I did. Fortunately no tell-tale rings on my thighs either. [I'm one for getting into trouble for doing something, rather than getting into trouble for doing nothing.]


Although there was nothing to see, the Doc decided I'd got what he thought I had, and off I went .... Pockets stuffed with holdups! :D



Moral of the tale? Always expect, the unexpected. ;)


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[BobHH]

I have two pairs of wonderfully soft Levis jeans, one dark blue and one light blue, which are long enough and flared some to hide heels fairly well. I don't remember where they came from and there are no labels as to which model they are, and I have not been able to find any in the stores that are such a soft material.

Wearing leggings now without other trousers. It has been a warm day for January, and I like the leggings more and more around the house, as they don't get caught between the heel and the shoe with the Nine West 5" spike heel slides I have on, plus they are very comfortable and show off the heels nicely.

[FastFreddy2]

shyguy, on 14 January 2011 - 08:37 PM, said:

I also have to admit to wearing leggings under my trousers at work for warmth and it's kind of fun to know something those around you don't. I wouldn't wear them on their own though.

I need to remember to do it ... but I have a tale to tell about this sort of thing. A tale with a sting to it .... :rolleyes: :huh:


Personally for me Heels 4 Men needs to be a place about wearing heels as a male, without going en femme. That said, I don't have a problem with guys mentioning wearing women's jeans, to me they are jeans regardless of which side of the shop they come from (my wife doesn't agree and wouldn't let me wear them if I saw some women's jeans I liked better for some reason).

As I've mentioned before, I pretty much HAVE to wear girls jeans, and have done on and off for 30 years. The 'off' years were the uncomfortable ones. They were baggy and unflattering, mostly because they had to be a size too large. That said, I've spent most of today wearing what I think are Primarnie mens jeans .... Bit tight around the crown jewels, but I've spent very little time sitting ....

M+S ladies straight jeans are a much better fit, and come with stretch. All for £12 too. No-one would know they were anything other than mens jeans either. The benefit(s)? More room for the jewels, better shape, and the stretch leg allows me to hide my heels a little better. The bottoms sort of widen, acting like a tent to a heel. Excellent tool for the job.


I did buy (last summer) some Mens stretch jeans from Matalan. [Hides head in shame ... ;) ] Same sort of price, not dissimilar material. Not so 'roomy', but overall, a fair tool for the job. Accurate sizing too.



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[heelman500]

shyguy you are right, I myself wear womens shoes because thats what I like, I will wear knee highs as an aid to wearing heels but thats about it.
I think that we should be able to match heels with mens clothing, and I would like that to become a society norm, though its never going to happen.

What we really need is someone like David Beckham to develop a heel fetish and bring heels for men into mainstream fashion.
I must say a few years back on Big Brother when Kamal wore heels as a guy I hoped for an uptake in interest but nothing seemed to happen.

[shyguy]

One of the main reasons I spend my time here rather than at HHP is to get away from the talk of wearing women's clothes with the heels. It seems most of the conversations there end up with some reference to skirts or tights/stockings etc. I have tried some other women's clothing, and it doesn't do anything for me in terms of looks or feeling in the way heels do, i.e. enjoyment of the wearing.

I also have to admit to wearing leggings under my trousers at work for warmth and it's kind of fun to know something those around you don't. I wouldn't wear them on their own though.

Personally for me Heels 4 Men needs to be a place about wearing heels as a male, without going en femme. That said, I don't have a problem with guys mentioning wearing women's jeans, to me they are jeans regardless of which side of the shop they come from (my wife doesn't agree and wouldn't let me wear them if I saw some women's jeans I liked better for some reason).

On the subject of labels, whatever you call it some members of society will manage to use the word in a hurtful way, if it doesn't fit with their view of how the world should be.

Just my personal views.

[heelman500]

I found both these sites about the same time and joined up to both.
I personaly am interested in wearing heels because I like heels and have been fascinated in them from an early age, for some reason the higher the heel the more I am fascinated by them, be they on a man or a woman. I dont think that wearing heels is crossdressing, though I can see it being the thin end of the wedge as previously mentioned in this thread. As for getting numbers up and climbing, well this is a niche fascination, though there are undoubtedly thousands more men secretly interested than will ever admit to it, perhaps a monthly meet (With a rotating venue e.g. Jan in London, Feb in Manchester, Mar - London) in a private venue. Whatever happens I will still be wearing my heels as and when I can.....

[FastFreddy2]

BobHH, on 14 January 2011 - 03:47 AM, said:

It's another one-sided, unfair bit of labeling against men. Women can do whatever they want, but one little step out of line, buddy, and you're tarred with the label. What it really says is that society (generalization) is so insecure about males' masculinity that they can't tolerate any deviation from some largely fictional standard.

I agree 100%.

I also accept the term "cross-dresser" is seldom meant as a term of endearment. [No more than 'queer' 'leftie' 'fascist' could be seen as terms of endearment either.]

There is no doubt in my mind we men are conditioned to conform lest we acquire a bigots label in the same genre of those listed above.

BobHH, on 14 January 2011 - 03:47 AM, said:

Side Issue:
I do see the term "high heels" used quite often in the press, such as the headline "Hoops and High Heels" on an article about a female basketball coach (and ex-WNBA player) who coaches a men's team. Don't tell me men writers aren't attracted to heels!

I would worry about any man not attracted to high heels. Obviously a non-conformist .... :rolleyes:

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[BobHH]

When I see CD, I think of a computer disc, not a crossdresser!

I suppose that is all literally correct, but to me a crossdresser is one who dresses as a woman or to look like a woman. Wearing one article of woman's clothing such as shoes, or even a skirt, but looking very like a man is not crossdressing to me. I never see the term applied to women who wear flats, or pants, or even suits and ties, as long as they are not trying to pass as a man, and even then the term doesn't seem to be used.

It's another one-sided, unfair bit of labeling against men. Women can do whatever they want, but one little step out of line, buddy, and you're tarred with the label. What it really says is that society (generalization) is so insecure about males' masculinity that they can't tolerate any deviation from some largely fictional standard.

Side Issue:
I do see the term "high heels" used quite often in the press, such as the headline "Hoops and High Heels" on an article about a female basketball coach (and ex-WNBA player) who coaches a men's team. Don't tell me men writers aren't attracted to heels!

[FastFreddy2]

What do I know? :rolleyes:

Searching Flickr for HH piccies (sad man) I came across a member there who describes themselves as a cross-dresser. :huh:

http://www.flickr.co...os/alice_uk_cd/


Very definitely isn't. Very definitely is a transvestite. I've checked to about Page 12. All 'safe' images. ;) Some nice shoes, but no indication of source.

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[FastFreddy2]

BobHH, on 13 January 2011 - 03:43 AM, said:

I'm afraid I don't like the term "crossdresser." It has come to imply something derogatory, or is that just me? It seems to me that dressing as a woman except for some occasion like costume parties, Halloween, etc., implies a desire to be a woman or at least to live as one.

My wife is an easy going woman. God knows she needs to be.

She'll not upset anyone, even when they deserve it. About as gentle a person you could meet. No vices except a burning desire to retire early.... [Tomorrow wouldn't be too soon. ;) ]

Grammar school education, and smart enough to be a doctor or lawyer. She is as liberal and liberalist as anyone you could wish to meet.


If she says men wearing heels is cross-dressing .... as undesirable as that notion might be, it's a truth from someone who doesn't care - one way or the other. [No agenda or need to take one side or other.] As I wrote the other day, cross-dressing isn't as black and white as it keeps being portrayed. It's a wedge. With full blown TV at the thick end [24/7 'as woman' for a man]; with (just) stockings under trousers - or (just) heels - or (just) womans undies are the very thin end of that wedge.


Sadly, I'm aware this upsets people, and seemingly Americans more than Brits. I guess we are deviant by reputation, and by deed. Being a cross-dresser is no more a slur to me, than being called 'spotty' when I get a spot on my face, or being called 'ginge', had I ginger hair.

As I've gone to some pains to point out, wearing clothes of another gender, does not infer/mean/assume/confirm the wearer to be a transvestite. ie. someone wanting to feel and be seen as someone of the opposite sex to what they actually are. [This remark cuts both ways and is inclusive of both genders.]

I'm not aware of one nation anywhere in the world, where it is common or traditional for men to wear heels. I wish it wasn't so. I've wished it wasn't so since I was about 7, and believe me, that's a fair chunk of time.

Abstract notion: [and bit of a soapbox moment]

If everyone in the world says the colour you see is red, and you think it's blue ... What colour is it? Well to you, it's blue. But if you want to live in the same world everyone else lives in, you have to call it red. Only if you live in a separate world, can the colour be called blue.

So with heels. As individuals here, (HHp and thousands of homes in the Western World), men wearing heels is normal/usual/expected/desirable/attractive. But it's not how the rest of the worlds sees it.

If everyone in the world I want to be part of insists I'm a cross-dresser, how can I refute this apparent reality? Even if I disagree with every fibre of my body? The world wants to label me ... so what? I'm happy wanting what I want, being who I am. My only real gripe is that it took me so long to understand what I (really) wanted, and who I really am. :huh:

And I hope you and any other reader won't see these comments as personal, mean, inciteful, or disrespectful. I'm in the same boat as everyone else with this interest/desire. There is no benefit to me in punching holes in that boat. :rolleyes: But part of getting the rest of the world to accept me, is me accepting how the world sees and labels me. [Even if I don't agree with their labelling system.] So I work a compromise. I do what I can and enjoy what I can.


There may be time left for me to see that labelling system change, but I doubt it will. Western society has grown increasingly conservative since the 1980's. So maybe in the next life .... :P


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[BobHH]

I'm afraid I don't like the term "crossdresser." It has come to imply something derogatory, or is that just me? It seems to me that dressing as a woman except for some occasion like costume parties, Halloween, etc., implies a desire to be a woman or at least to live as one. That isn't upholding the stud image very well! High heels are such a small part of the total costume, that it doesn't seem to be in the same league as skirts/dresses. (Heels are sort of radically different, though.) Although I have known at least one person who changed clothes, name, makeup, etc. to live as a woman, it seems awkward, at least for a while.

I wish shoes would just be referred to as shoes, not women's shoes or men's shoes. I always wonder at the ads which almost always label high heels as women's shoes. Egads, is their doubt in anyone's mind today as to whether they are women's or men's? Now, if they were just labeled "Shoes" and sold in a single department instead of separate men's and women's departments or areas, we might have more men in heels, not to mention more styles and colors.

[FastFreddy2]

BobHH, on 12 January 2011 - 02:47 AM, said:

The latter bothers me, as it is something I would never do.* HHPlace states it does not host TS/TV people, but when is that line crossed? Some of the regulars make no secret of dressing as women at least some of the time.

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So, heels4men, how far can a man go in attire and still be considered a man?

*I must say that I do like leggings, though, at least for private wear. They are warm and tight against the legs, and I have always liked slim denims. They look good with heels, and they don't get caught between the heels and the shoes when wearing slides or mules.

If I'm honest, the cross-dressing aspect of this doesn't bother me at all. [I try not to be a hypocrite.] Though as you might suggest, a man dressed in woman's clothes, usually (but not always) is going to seem like a manly figure dressed in womans clothes. [Woman have much more attractive basic shape?] And age can't be any kinder to a man in woman clothes, than it would be to the older woman.

That said, the HHp declares it doesn't support the cross-dressing aspect of the site, but plainly much goes on. If it were all removed, I wonder how successful the site would remain?

Conversely, as my wife has just mentioned [reading over my shoulder .... :rolleyes: ] even wearing high heels is cross-dressing. Perhaps the thinnest point of a quite steep wedge? It's as you say, where does cross-dressing become tranvestite-ism. ie. Feeling, and or looking like a woman. I think that line is defined a lot more clearly here, [H4M] 'men with heels', men looking and feeling like men - wearing heels?

Like you Bob, I enjoy wearing leggings in winter though under my trousers? [As Long Johns, though I'm not just wearing them for the warmth.] I do sometimes wear hold ups for similar reasons in Autumn and Spring. Some of my boots demand I wear hose, as socks would be too thick, and this would be a time I might also choose to wear hose on my legs under trousers or jeans. [Never bare legged with hose in the house or outside.] Having something close to the skin on your legs is a quite pleasant feeling, but I'm pleased to say there is a practical reason for it too. And looking or feeling 'girly' isn't the reason. B)

Had a look at the blogspot site. I take your point. :o


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[BobHH]

Yes, there is lots of activity at HHPlace, and usually enough to read. Over the years, I have noticed a trend among a number of heel wearers to gradually move into more articles of women's clothing - jeans, pants, tops, and then skirts. The latter bothers me, as it is something I would never do.* HHPlace states it does not host TS/TV people, but when is that line crossed? Some of the regulars make no secret of dressing as women at least some of the time.

If you look at the blog High Heels for Men, "http://highheelspassion.blogspot.com/", many or most of the pictures posted are of men in dresses and heels, hardly distinguishable from women since the heads are usually cut off or blotted out in the posts. Others are androgynous, many looking like girls with their long hair and makeup and feminine outfits. And another group are sort of way-out show biz types. Many fewer just guys in heels.

Good looking girls with nice legs, pretty feet, and high heels are sexy, and I guess we want to experience some of what it feels like to wear heels, which we generally like. But most of us don't look very sexy dressed as a girl. When you see pictures of models or celebrity couples, the men are generally covered up except for the head/face and hands. The girls, in contrast, are mostly exposed, with bare arms, legs, and feet in high heels. Their emphasis with hair, makeup, polish, etc. is to emphasize their sexual attractiveness, which seems to be the way Western culture has evolved today.

Sure, we can go a ways with neat clothes and nice feet with pedicures and polish and heels, but for many of us, especially older ones, even that will look out of place compared to society's expectations. But to go farther is really opening us up to more ridicule/rejection, I'm afraid.

So, heels4men, how far can a man go in attire and still be considered a man?

*I must say that I do like leggings, though, at least for private wear. They are warm and tight against the legs, and I have always liked slim denims. They look good with heels, and they don't get caught between the heels and the shoes when wearing slides or mules.

[hh4evr1]

I think most people join the high heel meeting place as it is more popular so when searching the net it shows up near the top and people see it and join like I did. It wasn't until quite a bit later that I found this site.